Hey, Team Cienie! I wanted to thank you all for your work and labor! Cienie is one of my favorites among all of the visual novels. Keep up with work regardless of the hate and misinformation on the internet! You will bounce back in the best way possible! Love y'all!
Just wanted to say I love your VN. Detective stories are a genre I really like a lot, and add that to queer characters, furry VNs which I also love, and the fact that the writing and character design is great — I recommend it to my friends always. You're doing great, and bad people don't know what they're talking about.
Are you happy now? A situation that could have been resolved peacefully ended up ruining another VN with unnecessary drama and hate.
It’s truly embarrassing that a team full of adults would behave so childishly and unprofessionally.
I don't want this VN to be ruined too, but I hope at least the team members regret what they did; otherwise, I really feel sorry for them. This community shouldn't become a place for hate and destroying each other.
Tbh, whole situation could've been handled more professionally by both sides.
But you can't blame Cienie devs for trying to defend themselves where big name of G.Square attack your vn with false accusations because your vn doesn't have sex.
Secondly I don't know if you didn't read the Echo patreon announcement or you're just playing ignorant.
There is the "past few years" of George's drama was at fault, it's not the first time he tried to bully someone, sadly it probably won't be the last.
I respect that everyone creates art according to their own interests, but false advertising is still false advertising and shouldn’t be easily overlooked.
The two art pieces in questions weren't even used for advertising. One was a april fools joke and the other was a "thank you" christmas artpiece with tastefull nudity. Check your facts before yapping.
False advertising such as, a single artistic nudity piece back in 2022 (which especially with how the vn process goes the creators coulda been unsure if they wanted to include nsfw or not), and something they made for april fools day. So idk where this sort of idea that this vn engage in false advertising, not once have they claimed they were going to add nsfw scenes into the story, even if you look at the game page here there's literally no indication or lies that there's nsfw in the story. So besides those two pretty lazy examples, the rest of the "false advertising" is them showing support for fan art, so if you wanna cry a river over fan art then thats a you issue
Everyone else is responsible for George's words and actions, never George himself apparently.
Even then as a lead dev of one of Echo Project's most prolific works, he has a duty to uphold the professional reputation of their group and games. He's not some no-name rando he has a responsibility to watch what he says.
Like even if the Cienie people never brought up The Things That Georgesquares Himself Openly Talked About in relation to their game, it would have been something else in the future that got him fired. This wasn't his first and only incident, not by a long shot. Guy had a long history of FAFO, and it's finally caught up with him.
blaming this VN and not George for not knowing how to shut up and act normal is crazy. Dude had it coming for a while now and it's not just because of this discourse, he is a repeated offender.
The Echo message says "irreconcilable differences over the PAST FEW YEARS" and you default to this recent event.
You guys have completely glaze over the fact that George gave terrible treatment to his co-workers such as Redd & Orion that have been even visible in public chats. Redd was pretty much bullied off the project and put in a state of terrible mental health. He got into fights with McSkinny as well. The ex from 2019-2021 having been handpicked by George to mod the server only to extend his control and silencing his opposition, and mentioning there was at least one artist that has been underpaid.
This has been a long time coming. And I'm only scratching the surface.
George being on thin ice with EP isn't just from 2024. Or 2023. The fact that people can't fathom he was a toxic element, while also the same people claiming being fans of Echo, a work with one of the many themes being to recognise toxicity and let go and move on from it, is insane to me.
How do you all not understand that he wasn't just a PR nightmare, he was legitimately poisoning the well?
Oh, and how quickly you’ve forgotten George’s good things; he’s now become the villain of the story.
The promotions George did for all the VNs helped the community grow significantly due to the Echo Project and especially TSR, leading to the creation of many other VNs.
Right now, everyone is just angry and looking to spread hate. I’m sure over time, people will understand the meaning of my messages, but unfortunately, it will be too late.
For someone who accuse us of "looking to spread hate", you're pretty forgiving of harrassment and mistreatments when it's not about George/being inflicted by George.
Would you work for with/under someone in exchange of being berated and feeling your soul leaving your body, and in the case of Orion: FOR FREE VOLUNTARY WORK?
I liked TSR in 2022. But no. Hell no. Even if it was a brilliant masterpiece, it's not justified.
You care too much about the media itself to care about the human factor and understand their decision.
why are these devs being hated on again? Because a prissy manchild bitched about this particular vn for not having nsfw content? I dont even think the cienie devs even directedly reacted lol
Unless this is all a weird meme I'm absolutely oblivious to
What exactly did the Cienie team do? I've heard a bunch of different takes on the drama around this but I've never heard anything about things the Cienie devs did, except just being the subject that started this whole mess.
I'm disappointed in these developments. I enjoy both TSR and Cienei and I'm sad that what appears to be a petty squabble is getting treated as an unforgivable crime thus leading to the halt in development of one of the VNs I like.
Not gonna lie, I definitely read this game initially due to the beef between George and the VN's creator, but this was a fantastic experience! Love the art style, the manilla envelope/corkboard UI combo is a really adorable touch.
Glad to see such a good game get traction! Hopefully when this blows over the drama won't be what we remember Cineie for.
I’m happy to know that Cienie has made some readerstry out new cuisines for themselves, which is amazing we’re not a cooking FVN. What food did you try? Glad to know you enjoyed it (the food… and the VN hopefully)
Ya'll got me back into fvns with this shit my god actually perfect so far. I'm so fucking sorry and annoyed that Cienie's in the middle of being twitter discourced atm.Mfs need to shut up and be making fan creations of the characters whether it's them living through the horrors, or fucking eachother in the ass.
I love this game. For once, the MC doesn't instantly drool over every other male character (even though I find them all attractive, specially Dawid and Otto)
speaking of Raymond.....slight spoilers ahead
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I have just been laughing for a minute straight at how his head size appears here XD
THis is amzing. I am only at the start but the story got me hooked fast even before things go south. Also dang I love David. I definetly hope that there will be Echo Level Psycho Horror shit at some point. If you need any help with programming things reach out to me I definetly want that this awesome storry succeeds.
Can't download android version of this game for some reason (through browser). Tried 3 times, all forbidden. Tried other itch vns, they download just fine.
I am a final-year student pursuing a degree in English-to-Spanish Translation preparing to undertake a final project focused on video game localization. As an enthusiast of visual novel games, I am deeply captivated by "Cienie". The artwork enhances its suspense, the characters are delightful, and the mystery unfolds in such a captivating manner that it keeps readers hooked. Simply stunning! Therefore, I would be pleased to contribute to your community by offering English-to-Spanish translation services at no cost as part of my thesis. My aim is to assist you in reaching a broader audience who may not be fluent in English but are eager to immerse themselves in the unique adventure of "Cienie"
If you are interested, I would be happy to provide further details. Thank you in advance for your time!
Wow. Loved this whole vn, exceptional horror, kept me on the edge of my seat. Very likeable cast, good mix between seriousness and humour (also my type of humour so it was very enjoyable). Looking forward to the next builds.
The art is stunning, story is interesting, I felt going mad from "to be continued" in the build 2. I'll definitely will keep this vn on my watch list.
A couple pieces of critique though: please, pretty pretty please add a gallery. The artwork is really awesome and it would be super cool being able to see it at will. Another point is the characters, and this is far less objective. Most of them are so mysterious that it makes too hard to understand them and their actions and I end up more confused than intrigued.
At any rate that's just build 2, hope I'll have some answers and (much more) questions in upcoming builds! Keep up the good work :3
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my condolences go out to Team Cienie, i'm sorry for all of frustration and headache this caused you all...
Condolences??? Sounded like one of us just passed away T..T
jkjk
But no worries, as long as I’m alive, I wanna keep Cienie going until it concludes. Thanks for your concern ^^
Hey, Team Cienie! I wanted to thank you all for your work and labor! Cienie is one of my favorites among all of the visual novels. Keep up with work regardless of the hate and misinformation on the internet! You will bounce back in the best way possible! Love y'all!
Also, hello from the neighboring country - Ukraine!
Thanks for the support. We’re doing our well and our best so far. Hello from a faraway tropical country, Malaysia :3
lmao, for some reason I thought you're from Poland😭
So thats why ratings are disabled and comments are disliked.
Parts of the Furry Community proving again how toxic they can be.
I wish health and strength to all the authors and writers who got to deal with this typ of $hit.
Just wanted to say I love your VN. Detective stories are a genre I really like a lot, and add that to queer characters, furry VNs which I also love, and the fact that the writing and character design is great — I recommend it to my friends always. You're doing great, and bad people don't know what they're talking about.
Please, don't get discouraged by all the drama! Your VN is absolutely amazing.Stay strong and keep being awesome!
For Cienie team, I hope it all blows over for you all soon, you don't deserve it.
Keep making great game <3 Good luck!
Are you happy now? A situation that could have been resolved peacefully ended up ruining another VN with unnecessary drama and hate.
It’s truly embarrassing that a team full of adults would behave so childishly and unprofessionally.
I don't want this VN to be ruined too, but I hope at least the team members regret what they did; otherwise, I really feel sorry for them. This community shouldn't become a place for hate and destroying each other.
Tbh, whole situation could've been handled more professionally by both sides.
But you can't blame Cienie devs for trying to defend themselves where big name of G.Square attack your vn with false accusations because your vn doesn't have sex.
Secondly I don't know if you didn't read the Echo patreon announcement or you're just playing ignorant.
There is the "past few years" of George's drama was at fault, it's not the first time he tried to bully someone, sadly it probably won't be the last.
Sorry if I come off as rude.
I'm not just fully support George.
Saying that the Cienie devs had no fault in this situation is wrong.
George at least had a point, and that was the false advertising. Using NSFW art to promote the game when there’s nothing like that in the actual game.
And I consider turning a simple message on Discord into harassment to be an exaggeration. That message in no way constituted harassment.
Overall, this issue could have been resolved much better, but both sides made it worse, and I can't fully support either of them.
Ok, first I never said Cienie devs weren't at fault, you just made that up.
As it seems the rest of your message, But I will bite.
Cienie devs never said there is going to be sex in their visual novel.
In fact, you can scroll through the page and you will find it.
Also It's a furry fandom everyone turns sfw things into nsfw art they enjoy, and the false "promo" art you spoke off is just artistic nudity.
Beside it wasn't even promo art... It was Just simple thank you art and Christmas wishes.
And before you bring up that people behind the cienie draw art of their character in nsfw poses, yes they did.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. It's their right to do so.
So please stop trying to blame them for everything when you clearly don't grasp the situation.
I respect that everyone creates art according to their own interests, but false advertising is still false advertising and shouldn’t be easily overlooked.
The two art pieces in questions weren't even used for advertising. One was a april fools joke and the other was a "thank you" christmas artpiece with tastefull nudity. Check your facts before yapping.
Right, Then why George didn't talk about Astatos false advertising?
Its sfw card game but art is borderline nsfw and they post nsfw promos all the time.
False advertising such as, a single artistic nudity piece back in 2022 (which especially with how the vn process goes the creators coulda been unsure if they wanted to include nsfw or not), and something they made for april fools day. So idk where this sort of idea that this vn engage in false advertising, not once have they claimed they were going to add nsfw scenes into the story, even if you look at the game page here there's literally no indication or lies that there's nsfw in the story. So besides those two pretty lazy examples, the rest of the "false advertising" is them showing support for fan art, so if you wanna cry a river over fan art then thats a you issue
Your crying is easy to overlook XD
Everyone else is responsible for George's words and actions, never George himself apparently.
Even then as a lead dev of one of Echo Project's most prolific works, he has a duty to uphold the professional reputation of their group and games. He's not some no-name rando he has a responsibility to watch what he says.
Like even if the Cienie people never brought up The Things That Georgesquares Himself Openly Talked About in relation to their game, it would have been something else in the future that got him fired. This wasn't his first and only incident, not by a long shot. Guy had a long history of FAFO, and it's finally caught up with him.
This is news to me🤯
blaming this VN and not George for not knowing how to shut up and act normal is crazy. Dude had it coming for a while now and it's not just because of this discourse, he is a repeated offender.
The Echo message says "irreconcilable differences over the PAST FEW YEARS" and you default to this recent event.
You guys have completely glaze over the fact that George gave terrible treatment to his co-workers such as Redd & Orion that have been even visible in public chats. Redd was pretty much bullied off the project and put in a state of terrible mental health. He got into fights with McSkinny as well. The ex from 2019-2021 having been handpicked by George to mod the server only to extend his control and silencing his opposition, and mentioning there was at least one artist that has been underpaid.
This has been a long time coming. And I'm only scratching the surface.
George being on thin ice with EP isn't just from 2024. Or 2023. The fact that people can't fathom he was a toxic element, while also the same people claiming being fans of Echo, a work with one of the many themes being to recognise toxicity and let go and move on from it, is insane to me.
How do you all not understand that he wasn't just a PR nightmare, he was legitimately poisoning the well?
Oh, and how quickly you’ve forgotten George’s good things; he’s now become the villain of the story.
The promotions George did for all the VNs helped the community grow significantly due to the Echo Project and especially TSR, leading to the creation of many other VNs.
Right now, everyone is just angry and looking to spread hate. I’m sure over time, people will understand the meaning of my messages, but unfortunately, it will be too late.
For someone who accuse us of "looking to spread hate", you're pretty forgiving of harrassment and mistreatments when it's not about George/being inflicted by George.
Would you work for with/under someone in exchange of being berated and feeling your soul leaving your body, and in the case of Orion: FOR FREE VOLUNTARY WORK?
I liked TSR in 2022. But no. Hell no. Even if it was a brilliant masterpiece, it's not justified.
You care too much about the media itself to care about the human factor and understand their decision.
Wait I dont get it
why are these devs being hated on again? Because a prissy manchild bitched about this particular vn for not having nsfw content? I dont even think the cienie devs even directedly reacted lol
Unless this is all a weird meme I'm absolutely oblivious to
Nope, you got it right. Gooners are angry that their leader got the boot for being weird and harassing people
you do realize george himself did non of the things youve described?
he wasnt peaceful, he behaved childishly and unprofessionally
What exactly did the Cienie team do? I've heard a bunch of different takes on the drama around this but I've never heard anything about things the Cienie devs did, except just being the subject that started this whole mess.
I'm disappointed in these developments. I enjoy both TSR and Cienei and I'm sad that what appears to be a petty squabble is getting treated as an unforgivable crime thus leading to the halt in development of one of the VNs I like.
If only furries knew how to settle things like adults, it's embarrassing.
There was no squabble.
Cienie devs didn't respond or retaliate in any way.
It's literally just George Squares getting so mad over not being able to goon to a furry game that he had to spread porn-brained takes over it.
....They did respond. They didn't exactly stay quiet. Not sure why you're trying to gaslight people to think otherwise.
Also, singular take. An extremely tame one. That was blown up to 100. He didn't lead some crusade, contrary to what you're implying.
Reread my comment lmao, nowhere did I imply that he led some crusade, y'all did that yourselves over him overreacting to a non-issue.
Not gonna lie, I definitely read this game initially due to the beef between George and the VN's creator, but this was a fantastic experience! Love the art style, the manilla envelope/corkboard UI combo is a really adorable touch.
Glad to see such a good game get traction! Hopefully when this blows over the drama won't be what we remember Cineie for.
Yeah the UI does give it avery old skool vibe.
We’re happy too. We hope that people remember Cienie for its merits and quality other than anything else.
Well done, looking forward to the next update. Some of the food mentioned I just tried, tastes good.
I’m happy to know that Cienie has made some readerstry out new cuisines for themselves, which is amazing we’re not a cooking FVN. What food did you try? Glad to know you enjoyed it (the food… and the VN hopefully)
Both, both were good, I had some pierogi from this polish restaurant near where my sister used to work. I also had some bigos I think.
Ya'll got me back into fvns with this shit my god actually perfect so far. I'm so fucking sorry and annoyed that Cienie's in the middle of being twitter discourced atm.Mfs need to shut up and be making fan creations of the characters whether it's them living through the horrors, or fucking eachother in the ass.
10/10 will be following this. good shit
No problem. As long as you’re enjoying the VN, that’s what matters.
Amazing VN, can't wait for more!
I love this game. For once, the MC doesn't instantly drool over every other male character (even though I find them all attractive, specially Dawid and Otto)
speaking of Raymond.....slight spoilers ahead
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I have just been laughing for a minute straight at how his head size appears here XD
He got a big head but he’s not big-headed. :3
Love it!
The best VN ever! I love cienie's characters, the plot and arts :).Join discord btw :3
Welcome! Enjoy your stay ^^
What brings you here?
Me: saw a tiktok animation of this.
THis is amzing. I am only at the start but the story got me hooked fast even before things go south. Also dang I love David. I definetly hope that there will be Echo Level Psycho Horror shit at some point. If you need any help with programming things reach out to me I definetly want that this awesome storry succeeds.
Hey, glad you’re enjoying it so far.
And thanks for the offer. I’ll be sure to reach you out if I’m ever stuck with coding Cienie. Cheers!
I Love Raymond:3 (because i love all Tiger) :v
im in love i want build 4 so bad stop 😭
Is there a way to turn off the sprite animations? Or plans to add an option in settings in the future? Just makes it a bit hard to read.
Can't download android version of this game for some reason (through browser). Tried 3 times, all forbidden. Tried other itch vns, they download just fine.
(bleh, apparently itch was just being moody)
We have no idea what the problem could be, After asking some friends to download android version and it works fine for them.
Name sounds very polish.
jejjj polskie futrzakiii
Polska Gurom
dokladnie 🔥🔥🔥
A hidden gem <3. I just found my new favorite FVN this year and it's high-quality compared to other VNs. Keep it up and hope to see more builds soon!
chat is the title in Polish
Ye, it means shadows
yeah ik Im polish I was js making sure XD
How do I pronounce the title of the VN?
“chain-yay”
I took a basketball to the face. (￣□￣;)!!
Dear Team Cienie,
I am a final-year student pursuing a degree in English-to-Spanish Translation preparing to undertake a final project focused on video game localization. As an enthusiast of visual novel games, I am deeply captivated by "Cienie". The artwork enhances its suspense, the characters are delightful, and the mystery unfolds in such a captivating manner that it keeps readers hooked. Simply stunning! Therefore, I would be pleased to contribute to your community by offering English-to-Spanish translation services at no cost as part of my thesis. My aim is to assist you in reaching a broader audience who may not be fluent in English but are eager to immerse themselves in the unique adventure of "Cienie"
If you are interested, I would be happy to provide further details. Thank you in advance for your time!
ciekawe jak amerykanie wymawiaja nazwe tej gry, sini?
sini, seni, dżini (genie), itp.
Wow. Loved this whole vn, exceptional horror, kept me on the edge of my seat. Very likeable cast, good mix between seriousness and humour (also my type of humour so it was very enjoyable). Looking forward to the next builds.
Was really engrossed to the story and was pretty upset when the "To Be Continued" screen popped up. Really great vn I love it a lot!!!
I cried each time we have to finish the build up to that point too.
Question, is everyone is the main cast gay?
If by gay you mean strictly homosexual then not everyone. It will be eventually revealed in future builds.
There is no NSFW sex scenes in this build, and all nsfw sex scenes in the future will be fade to black.
Sarawakian jumpscare🫨
Op, terkejut kamek!
PEAK! LOVE THE DYNAMICS BETWEEN EVERYONE, HOW IS IT SO COMPELLING.
CAN'T BELIEVE WE GOT LEFT WITH A CLIFFHANGER 😭 Y'ALL I'M CURIOUS 😔.
also malaysian reference in this build is simply magnificent ✨
terima kasih ^_^
Is Malay available xd
Harap bersabar. Belum diusahakan lagi :3
The art is stunning, story is interesting, I felt going mad from "to be continued" in the build 2. I'll definitely will keep this vn on my watch list.
A couple pieces of critique though: please, pretty pretty please add a gallery. The artwork is really awesome and it would be super cool being able to see it at will. Another point is the characters, and this is far less objective. Most of them are so mysterious that it makes too hard to understand them and their actions and I end up more confused than intrigued.
At any rate that's just build 2, hope I'll have some answers and (much more) questions in upcoming builds! Keep up the good work :3
Hopefully we can implement the CG gallery in future build. Thanks for your support!
I love all of what there is to this vn and I can't wait for more! :)
my best vn <3